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Urine pH testing to check blood pH is nonsense. Urine pH changes over the day according to a well known circadian rythm, and an urinary tract infection will usually lower the pH. A particular diet will also influence urine pH (without affecting blood pH). Who checks all these influences before checking the urine pH ? Here in Germany, alternative healer also use a test of saliva pH to detect (or better invent) a „Übersäuerung“ („acidosis“), a common pseudodiagnosis and disease-mongering in order to sell dietary supplements or to continue their treatment. Some try to pseudodiagnose „acidosis“ with a microscope, looking for normal blood – „rouleau formation“, another common nonsense.
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“There is no evidence to suggest that our urine’s pH correlates with serious diseases like cancer.”
Forgive me for again, the GNM consultant speaking out of me, but I cannot explain my thoughts without taking the 5 Biological Natural Laws into consideration. I would like to inform those who have not read the arguments about GNM before, that this part of GNM, the 5 Biological Natural Laws were already confirmed, yet questions are still open and not verified about the effective therapy in the PCL phase.
My mentor raised an interesting approach on this topic as well in one of her trainings.
Some studies show a correlation between blood pH and cancer and some do not. On the other hand, diseases that are linked to pH by scientists pro pH balance theories, like candida, are in most of the cases PCL phase symptoms (GNM: diseases, even cancer stand from a CA and a PCL phase). Based on the 5 BNLs were confirmed, it would make sense to make a research about pH correlation in the PCL phase. Shall the scientists find a correlation between PCL phase of a disease and blood pH, would define the circumstances (PCL phase) when that correlation can be found.
If such a correlation is found that blood pH relates to the PCL phase (and PCL phase only) of the diseases, would bring up an interesting question.
Accepting that the 5 BNLs were confirmed, and finding a correlation between blood pH and PCL phase, Flora would make a hypothesis that “Diseases are not caused by the pH balance of our blood, but on the contrary, change in the blood pH balance and acidosis may be simply one of the symptoms of a PCL phase of a disease or illness (including cancer).” And yep, I agree that checking urine pH is not the right method to determine blood pH for what you have already mentioned in this article.
But for that one, such a case study should be done, researching the blood pH of patients being in the PCL phase. So far I am not aware of such any studies, because although the 5 BNLs were confirmed, they are still not taken into consideration when researches are performed. Yet, I think Flora’s idea is an interesting one to be taken into consideration and to think about.
Should she be right, would also explain why some scientists believe the blood pH has anything to do with diseases, including cancer.
@ Dr. Sylar
Re your comment
I’m sorry but this is not what I mean by “confirmed”. When I use the word “confirm” I mean that outcomes of a scientific study have been reproduced by other scientists in similar circumstances in independent studies and that these studies have been made public and peer reviewed.
Scientists propose hypotheses or theories to explain certain phenomena. They then design experimental studies for testing their hypotheses. In essence, a hypothesis is a prediction: the scientist predicts what he expects to happen if his hypothesis is correct.
Scientific research must be as objective as possible, so as to rule out bias in the interpretations of the outcomes. Another imperative is that the scientist documents, archives and shares everything that he does, in order to have it scrutinized by other scientists, thus giving them the opportunity to verify and reproduce the results. This practice is called “full disclosure”. Full disclosure is also important because everybody can check for themselves how reliable the statistical data of the studies are.
None of this applies to Hamer. So what it was that was “confirmed” I don’t know, but it certainly wasn’t a scientific confirmation of his theories in any sense.
They do often metastasize to an organ close by, sometimes in the same organ. My own cancer started metastasizing right away and I had two metastatic tumours in my breast next to the primary one.
Cancer cells like to settle in surroundings that have certain similarities to the organ they originated in. Sometimes this is close to the primary tumour and sometimes this is further away. This is also explained on the blog.
They certainly have not been confirmed scientifically. I’ll be honest with you about these “BNL” or “Biological Laws of Nature” – and I’m sorry if I should hurt your feelings in the process, but the the amount of gish gallop presented here is truly shocking and makes me want to cry with sadness, frustration, rage and despair and bang my head against the wall because of the sheer idiocy on display here. It is nothing but a horrible mishmash of dangerous nonsense.
No it is not and it never will be, for it is completely at odds with reality.
Nothing of the GNM has been scientifically confirmed. Prof V Krcmery – one of the scientists who are supposed to have signed this “confirmation” said, when asked, that Hamer was sacked from the university of Trvana because his work did not meet even the most basic standards and that there is no such confirmation in the archives or the university. I think Hamer just made that up himself, just like he has done with many other documents.
The “BNLs” have not in any way been scientifically confirmed.
“Prof V Krcmery – one of the scientists who are supposed to have signed this “confirmation” said, when asked, that Hamer was sacked from the university of Trvana because his work did not meet even the most basic standards and that there is no such confirmation in the archives or the university. I think Hamer just made that up himself, just like he has done with many other documents.” (beatis)
Can you please, also provide a source for it (if the source of information is that you called this gentleman and he answered you by phone is fine as well, but then I also need to talk to him to verify on this)? If such an abusement occurs, professors, scientists usually make a statement to clarify and do not leave such a case just hanging in the air without any response.
So I am pretty much sure that if this is the case, there should be at least one official statement in written form, verified on the internet. I searched for those documents myself as well, did not find any… though, internet is huge. So in case you are aware of any source like that, please, don’t hesitate to share, I am more than open to have a look… and thank you for your help.
@ Dr. Sylar
This is what it says here:
From a letter of prof. V. Kcrmery to the Slovakian Embassy, answering the Embassy’s request for information concerning Hamer’s “Habilitation” (promotion) at the university of Trnava, here’s what prof. Kcrmery writes (transl. by me):
http://www.esowatch.com/ge/index.php?title=GNM-Verifikationen#cite_note-10
“…here’s what prof. Kcrmery writes (transl. by me):” (Jenny Jo)
Do you have any outher source for this letter (maybe a scan)? I ask because the one you linked is coming from Mr. Pilhar’s webpage, it is simply typed (Mr. Pilhar is known of one of the greatest GNM supporters and afterwards he quotes more letters verifying the Trnava document).
And if you read further, there is a letter from Dr. Jozef Miklosko: “The undersigned is in possession of the three original copies, and Dr. Hamer in possession of a further 2 copies.” (translated by Google Translate)
I am not looking for those kind of evidences.
I will doublecheck the other one, EsoWatch, but it takes a long time to deeply go in their references if they are referring to real evidence or just a plain PDF (that can be created by anyone). Until then I would say it is undecided from my side to accept the linked reference or not.
You can write a letter to prof. Kcrmery if you don’t believe the information given and I don’t really care what you are looking for.
We have been looking for your evidence but all you have done is fob us off with more rambling comments.
Hamer is a very deluded man and a danger to any patient suffering from a serious disease.
So, once again: please provide us with the scientific evidence that proves Hamer right about the cause of cancer and how to cure it.
“You can write a letter to prof. Kcrmery if you don’t believe the information given…” (beatis)
That really makes more sense than surfing the web for who claims what about whom. I am sorry to bother you with my comments and again, I would like to emphasize that my comments are not with any intention of harm.
Hereby I would like to thank jli for the meaningful discussions, his patience, being honest and open-minded, which I indeed appreciate a much.
I know the people at EsoWatch check and double check everything on their site.
“I know the people at EsoWatch check and double check everything on their site.” (beatis)
How do you know? And how a lay should know?
Perhaps you can answer some questions yourself for a change.
🙂
“Perhaps you can answer some questions yourself for a change.” (beatis)
All I am asking for is evidence about the creditibility of EsoWatch.
If you know something I don’t, why not to share? 🙂 I am open. And others reading your blog would have a benefit on you answering that question.
Well, for one thing, I have never heard of a scientist having his theories “verified” with a document like that and gaining a PhD on the basis of it. Scientists present a thesis, for which they have done extensive research and after the promotion everyone can read the thesis, because it is made public via the university and often also published as a book. Gaining a PhD doesn’t happen in the way that Hamer cliams, it’s just plain ridiculous and totally incredible.
This kind of “verification” simply does not exist within universities.
rotflderotfl 😆
What a gently mocking person you are!
https://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/debunkinghamer-on-cancermetastasis-slam-dunk/#comment-3057
“Gaining a PhD doesn’t happen in the way that Hamer cliams…” (beatis)
The Trnava document (which supposed to be the verification) has nothing within about PhD. If this (Dr. Hamer’s claims about PhD) can be read on the EsoWatch page, I am still waiting for evidence on their creditability.
If is not a PhD or “Habilitation” – which Hamer failed according to prof. Kcrmery, then I don’t know what it is.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habilitation
The kind of “verifications” that Hamer shows us don’t exist within universities. You can’t just go to a bunch of professors and say, hey, I have a theory, would you verify it for me?
I don’t believe a word of the whole Trnava story as told by Hamer or his other verification claims either for that matter.
Ever heard of a narcissistic personality disorder?
You’re trolling and spamming this whole blog with your Hamer quackery. Don’t push you luck.
Ever heard of committing forgery?
Ever heard of committing forgery in a stupid way?
The Trnava document is forgery in a stupid way.
Orac, aka David Gorski, blogs about The “Iron Rule of Cancer”: The dangerous cancer quackery that is the “German New Medicine”
Vile indeed.
Well, thank you, but I am really not discussing. I am simply trying to explain reality on matters concerning pathologic anatomy.
The tone was on meaningful, not discussion. But anyway, thanks again.
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I JUST LOVE THIS BLOG – I’m just a plain medical oncologist who has forgotten most of the secrets of biochemistry and other pre-clinical subjects. Quackery is a very annoying problem and we need simple, concise information for argumentation against it. Thank you!
Thank you veeravs. I also hope your patients will find the blog informative and helpful.