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June 2009This is me – Beatis. I am one of the moderators on this blog.

I was diagnosed with breast cancer in October 2007. For me, standard treatment has always been the only option, but I know not everyone makes this choice and I too have been asked to consider trying the alternative route.

What I would like on this page is your own stories on how you fared with conventional cancer treatment, either through comments on this page or links to your own blog or forums you are a member of.  I’ll kick things off by telling my own story here. 

Shedding some weight

After more than 30 years of weighing the pros and the cons, I had finally come Too much for comfortto the conclusion that one can indeed have too much of a good thing and that the time had come at last for me to have a breast reduction. The operation was done on 9 October 2007 and all went well; I had no pain and hardly any discomfort and my only regret was not having it done earlier.

Cancer

I was planned for a check up on 22 October 2007. When I entered her office the plastic surgeon introduced me to a nurse practitioner and told me that cancer was found in the tissue of my left breast, as well as quite a considerable spread of DCIS.

The tumour they had found was still small: 1.1 cm radius. That was a positive thing. That there was so much DCIS was not. Both DCIS and tumour were grade III with high MA index. Hormone receptor negative, which was not so good, HER2 status negative, which was a little good again.

All this meant simply that my breast had to come off. Because of my breast reduction, sentinel lymph node examination to see if the cancer had spread, was no longer possible, so I needed lymph node dissection as well. They expected to remove about 10 lymph nodes, which would then be examined for metastases. I was scheduled for a meeting with a surgeon oncologist that Wednesday.

The plastic surgeon and the NP were very sweet. They hugged me and took ample time to comfort me and answer what questions I had. I didn’t have many though, I was dumbstruck. They gave me a folder with a stack of brochures on breast cancer and treatments. They gave me tea and biscuits. The NP dialled by husbands phone number for me, for I couldn’t; I felt dead calm but my fingers didn’t work and I couldn’t operate my phone.

My husband came to pick me up from the hospital, crying and miserable. We hardly said a word on the way home. I could only think of him and how upset he was and how to break it to my daughter, my poor girl. I needn’t have worried. She was upset of course, she cried for a few days and from then on she was only wonderful all the time.

Fear and hope

I was very scared. I have seen people very close to me die of cancer and I knew that when cancer has spread beyond the lymph nodes, it usually means you’re done for. I also knew that no alternative therapy has any efficacy when it comes to curing cancer. Therefore there has never been a doubt in my mind that I would follow standard treatment.

At home I devoured all the brochures that were given to me until I practically knew them by heart. I scoured the internet for information on breast cancer and found they would probably advise me to take an adjuvant chemotherapy, which in fact they did.  I called a few knowledgeable friends about possible treatments, new research and the truth of alternative treatments claiming to be able to cure cancer. I just wanted to be sure of having  my facts straight.

We wrote down the questions we wanted put to the surgeon oncologist that Wednesday. Then I tried to put the matter out of my mind, which of course I couldn’t.

I remember vividly sitting on the couch in the living room that afternoon and thinking: there is nothing more wonderful than this life, my own ordinary life, with my family, my friends, my pets, my job; it’s all I want and all I need for being happy and I’ll do anything, absolutely anything within reason to keep it.

AutumnIt’s funny how the mind works, like the way certain things stand out in memory. I will never forget what a beautiful day it was, the 22nd  of October, probably the most beautiful day in one of the most beautiful autumns in years. I had to go by train to the nearest town, where the hospital was. I decided to walk to the hospital from the station, about an hour and a half. I so enjoyed the walk, the crisp fresh weather, the sunshine, the intense blue of the sky, the colours of the trees, the beauty of the city. 

Another image that is engraved in my memory is the first night after my mastectomy on 9 November 2007. It had been a very cloudy, bleak day. I had dozed off and when I woke up it was dark and the sky had cleared up completely. From the 10th floor where I lay I had a breathtaking view of the city and the starry sky above. I remember feeling happy and peaceful; after my operation they had told me that the preliminary examination had shown my lymph nodes to be clear, my breast had come off; perhaps there was a chance I would be lucky after all. 

Ten days after my operation all the results were in. The lymph nodes were definitely clear, but the cancer was a very fast growing and they had found two other small tumours in the tissue, which I found quite scary. They advised adjuvant chemotherapy, as I had expected.

Chemo and statistics

We asked the oncologist what it would do for my prognosis. He said: an average of 5 to 7 % improvement on total 10-year survival. Why so little? Because it’s given to destroy metastases that are too small for detection, he said. We don’t know if you have them, for we can’t see them. Many women don’t need the chemo, but we don’t know precisely who they are.

He explained about relative and absolute improvement. He explained that the percentage is based on all women receiving adjuvant chemo. However, if you don’t have micrometastases, the chemo will do nothing for your prognosis.  But for the women who do have them, the chemo may enhance their personal prognosis much more, depending on the stage of the cancer. In general, the more advanced the cancer, the greater the benefit of chemotherapy.

Would he do it himself? He would, he said. In fact, his wife had, at his advice, when she had breast cancer. She was doing fine now. He showed us a picture of her, with his children, three boys, who were still young. 

There’s a good chance you were in time, the oncologist said. But I hadn’t been anywhere. I hadn’t done anything. I now had the luck I so wanted, but I felt sad somehow too, because of so many others who were not so lucky.

I also thought of two women I knew with early breast cancer who had decided to forgo standard therapy to treat their cancer with alternative therapy and had suffered a horrible and untimely death. One of them was the mother of one of my daughter’s class mates at high school. It was these women and what happened to them that ultimately lead to this blog.

Chemotherapy started Friday, 14 December 2007. What can I say – it was bad, but not all bad and not all of the time. I had lots of pills to stop me from being sick and I made good use of them. After the first round I became very sick on Sunday. Monday morning it was even worse, so I called the NP and she arranged for extra medication to be delivered. I was able to walk our dogs for an hour that same afternoon. The first week after chemo I felt bad, there was a huge, foul-tasting lump in my stomach that made me feel on the verge of throwing up the whole time, but in the following two weeks I always felt much better.

Hair: to have and not to have

On Christmas-eve we were watching a movie on television: Shoot to Kill, with Kirstie Alley. I remember the tartan tartanshirt she wore. Whenever I see a tartan now, I think of my hair, for that was when it started to come off. It had been looking funny for the past days, brittle, dull and colourless. And then all of a sudden I sat with a bunch of hair in my hand. I think my hair has started to come off, I said to my husband. What do you think? He thought so too and was very upset for me. I called my sister and said: my hair is coming off. She cried. Don’t cry, I said, you’ll make me cry too and I don’t want to. It will come back. When spring is here, my hair will come back. We all decided to just think of that – my hair coming back in spring.

I had already bought a number of hats and shawls. The day after Christmas I went to the hair salon, my husband along for support and had my hair cropped very short. He said it looked nice, but I wasn’t so sure. I put on one of my new hats and we went home. At first my daughter didn’t want to look at it, but finally her curiosity got the better of her. She said: you look just like a lesbian! And like grandpa too! Well, thanks for nothing. We laughed until we nearly fainted.

I had decided I would not wear a wig. The wigs I had tried on, felt very uncomfortable and I felt I just couldn’t be bothered for those few months. Hardly any of the women I met during chemo wore wigs by the way. One of them told me she had only worn her wig two or three times because it was so itchy and irritating. After that, it had been sitting idly on its stand in the bedroom and eventually ended up in the dressing-up chest of her grandchildren.

Just after my operation I found it very hard to look at my chest. Not so much because of the breast that was no longer there, but because of the wound, which looked horrific at first. But I looked anyway, right from the first day and so did my husband. It looked very scary at first, but you see it improving every day, which is nice. Now the scar is hardly visible.

Chemo, January 2008I thought I looked horrible with no hair, but I looked at it anyway once a day. I made myself. I wanted to get used to it and somehow I did.

When I felt good, I put on some make-up, a nice shawl or hat and we would go out, my husband and I having a nice dinner somewhere, or shopping with my daughter and my sister with her children, having lunch together, all very cosy.

I worried what it would do to my sister, me having cancer. We have a small family and depend upon each other very much. But she was wonderful, she gave me such tremendous support, she rose to the occasion and was an absolute rock.

I expected losing my hair would make me hysterical. I met a woman in the hospital who said she had cried for a whole week and was still not quite over it after 3 weeks. But I didn’t become hysterical and I didn’t cry either. The only thing I could hardly bear was the itching of the hairs coming off. I stuck my head under the tap several times a day to rub off the lose hairs.

I don’t consider myself a very brave person. I always thought I would never be able to cope with things like chemotherapy and cancer and I wasn’t assuming that I’d be particularly brave by any stretch of the imagination. But when it’s your turn, you just do what you have to do. I had sore eyes, blisters in my mouth, I was very, very tired and I felt very miserable at times. But I stuck with it and was happy nonetheless and still had fun. 

Starting over

And then suddenly it was over and we all started waiting for my hair to come back. It didn’t, of course. I stood in front of the mirror every day, scrutinizing my head, but nothing happened. It’s not coming back, I told my husband, it should have started by now, I’ll be bald for ever!

Just after new-year I got my prosthesis and bought a stack of new – and quite pretty – bras. I don’t think I’ll have a reconstruction. I’ve grown quite attached to my chicken fillet and most of the time I don’t even notice it’s there at all.

May 12, 2008My hair decided to come back after all and 12 May 2008 I took off my hat for the last time. We were at my sister’s that day when this picture was taken. I liked the colour so much that I decided not to dye it anymore. It feels good having my own hair colour. 

It’s strange, looking back on that time. It was, as they say, the worst of times, but also the best of times. So many people were so absolutely wonderful, my family, friends, neighbours, colleagues, the doctors and the nurses. All in all, I think I have been extremely lucky. And I have made some great new friends through my illness: Wilma, Marer, Crypto, Edward, jli, WeWee, Natalie. Here’s to you guys, la’chaim!

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  • Updated: About You « Anax blog // June 19, 2009 at 8:43 pm

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  • wilmamazone // June 20, 2009 at 5:47 am

    KnuFF

  • beatis // June 20, 2009 at 7:46 am

    You too!!

  • WeWee // June 20, 2009 at 9:07 am

    :’)
    Proud to be friend of this woman.
    You’re an example to us all.
    Thank you beatis.

  • beatis // June 21, 2009 at 7:55 am

    Thank you so much WeWee. It was also wonderful reading your e-mail, telling me of all the women in your practice who have survived breast cancer and have been able to lead happy, normal lives again for years.

    Luckily I also know quite a number of people who have been cured of cancer, not just breast cancer but also colon cancer, bone cancer, skin cancer, hodgkin’s disease, leukemia, testis cancer and even lung cancer.

    We must also never forget the people who didn’t make it. My heart goes out to them and their loved ones.

  • jli // June 21, 2009 at 11:11 am

    And I have made some great new friends..

    I think it has been rewarding for me too – So thanks for letting me in.

    la’chaim!

    Tak i lige måde :-)

  • beatis // June 21, 2009 at 11:16 am

    We’re very happy you should want to be in! :-)
    My, is Danish a difficult language!

  • SoulSearcher // June 28, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    You asked to post experiences about alternative treatments, so here you go.

    My wife had cancer in the breast, liver, kidney and intestines, 16 tumors, and was told she had 6-12 months and no conventional doctor could do anything. This was before either of us learned about alternative treatments.

    She found an experimental chemo (poison) treatment that had a “80%” cure rate and cost $10,000 a month. (Fraud!!!) So we decided to try it.

    After 9 months of this, it had wiped out 13 of the tumors but had no effect on the last 3, so the doctor told her it was time to get her affairs ready.

    During that 9 months my wife found a book by Dr. Clark on alternative treatments and asked me to read it. I seriously doubted it worked, but I did it for her.

    Some of it made since and some didn’t. Why would they conceal the cure for cancer? Anyway, I started searching the web on these topics. We tried some of her stuff and it didn’t work.

    I came across other treatments like the Budwig Diet, but my wife was allergic to sulfur. We tried other vitamins and stuff. Didn’t work.

    Finally I came across ozone. I read about what the EPA and others said on it and was afraid to try it, but after the doctor said get your affairs ready, what did we have to lose?

    We started drinking the water and breathing it while it was on in the room just about 24/7 and within 3 months she was cancer free.

    Now you may say it was the chemo and I’ll give you that one even though it wasn’t. Anyway, we thought ok now we can quit doing the ozone.
    About a year later when she went in for her check up, the doctor said she had two more tumors. One in the intestines again and one in the bile duct. And he said there was nothing he could do because the cancer was “chemo resistant”.

    So we fired up the ozone generator again and she was cancer free again within about 3 months again. The doctor couldn’t believe it. He sent out the results to 4 different doctors to make sure and they confirmed it. He said they should hire me. By the way she is the only one still alive out of 54 people who took that chemo treatment.

    That was 5 years ago and shes still cancer free. We do the ozone on and off now to make sure it stays away.

    Ozone is the closet thing to a cure-all there is. We’ve been doing it for years now and I’ve done a lot of research on it. You can read about it in an article I compiled at Edit Anaximperator: no advertising.

    I’ve cured athletes foot and removed age spots to name a couple of things ozone can do.

    Anyway, if you look into it, just about all bad things for the body hate oxygen and all the good things love it. It’s the most important thing for the body. I’ve helped people with brain to breast cancer cure it.

    The truth is out there and you’ll see it if your willing to take the blinders off, the current medical establishment has put on your eyes. You can’t patient it, put it in a bottle, can or package it and make money from it because of it’s nature. Nicola Tesla experienced the same thing with his free energy tower, so this isn’t the first time the truth has been suppressed because of money.

    There are many awakening to the truth about the health care system (death care system) and winning. Now people are starting to awaken to the truth about the government (tyranny) too since the “recession”. The world is in no way what you’re lead to believe!

    My only goal is to spread the truth. I gain nothing from it except ending the lies and needless suffering.

    Take Care,
    SoulSearcher

  • anaximperator // June 29, 2009 at 7:30 am

    You asked to post experiences about alternative treatments

    No we didn’t.

    Please back up your story with decent evidence, for frankly, I don’t believe a word of it that your wife was cured of cancer with ozone therapy.

    I’ve helped people with brain to breast cancer cure it.

    Please explain in detail how you have done this. Or are we supposed to believe you at face value?

  • zanny // June 29, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    @ anaximperator
    “Ozone is the closet thing to a cure-all there is. We’ve been doing it for years now and I’ve done a lot of research on it. You can read about it in an article I compiled at Edit Anaximperator: no pitching.”

    I thought perhaps i could read what soulsearcher is claiming on this link, but it appears it has been “edited” out…?

    and then

    “Please explain in detail how you have done this. Or are we supposed to believe you at face value?’

    is that not considered ‘advertising?’

  • anaximperator // June 29, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Soulsearcher’s comment is on the blog, it’s not edited out.

    Please explain in detail how you have done this. Or are we supposed to believe you at face value

    When someone says they can cure cancer, we like to see them back up their claims with evidence. I don’t see how that’s pitching.

  • beatis // June 29, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    We have removed the link in Soulsearcher’s comment to a commercial site. That’s all.

    In our opinion, ozone cancer therapy is quackery. There is not a jot of evidence that is does anything against cancer.

  • zanny // June 29, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    mis- reading has happened…

    i presumed the site you had blocked was soulsearchers “evidence” and was wondering why this site had been blocked and then “evidence” was asked for, i didnt see the site to notice it was commercial based
    thanks for the clarification.

    I wish soulsearchers wife well all the same…

  • beatis // June 29, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    I wish soulsearchers wife well all the same…

    So do we.

  • SoulSearcher // June 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Ok, that site is not mine. I don’t have a site. If you notice at the top of the page it says “Contributed by Gaylen Tibbitt, (me) edited by Paul Winter” Paul owns the site. I can give you a few other sites that have the story about my wife on it.

    Edit: links removed. You have told your wife’s story here already, so no need for the links.

    That’s just three. There’s around 30.

    Ok, anaximperator asked for evidence that I’ve helped others. The only one I can provide is this person at curezone.com who had brain cancer. I’m golfegg he refers to in the post. http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=336738

    The breast cancer lady, which I should have saved the email from, said her tumor was peeling off in her hand. She used ozone and infar-red therapy. There’s many ways to get rid of cancer. Heat is another.

    You guys need to get out there a actually research things instead of doing nothing and asking others to do it for you.

    I’m not here to debate. There’s nothing to debate once you know the facts.

    Right now I’m helping a guy who went through a few operations in the intestines and a few chemo’radiation treatments and still has lung cancer. After three weeks of getting rid of the toxins and putting good nutrition back in he’s feeling better than he has for years. In a few months he’ll be fine.

    I would think, if beatis has done her research, that she will even testify that chemo causes cancer. Scroll down this page and see how a chemo spill has to be cleaned up and what it does to someone’s hand if it gets spilled on it and that it causes cancer. http://www.polymvasurvivors.com/truth_chemo.html Chemo originated from mustard gas. A WMD.

    I’m sure beatis will testify chemo didn’t promote health when her hair fell out. My wife puked every time she got it. How can a poison that kills ALL cells, be healthy? Why would you want to treat someone who is sick with something that makes you sicker? It’s a crime! The only ones who say because it’s the best medical treatment available hasn’t done their homework and will believe anything if repeated enough times.

    There isn’t one drug that doesn’t have bad side effects. Google any drug with the word suit and see for yourself.

    The medical industry kills more people than disease does now. It’s killed more people than all the wars the US has ever been in. Watch this video that’s made by a doctor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4

    You can’t argue the facts. Only a fool would argue without knowing the facts. (not aimed at any of you)

    Vioxx killed more than 30,000 and that was when Merck knew it killed. I have a friend’s father who was killed by it. Watch a video with David Graham, a FDA whistle blower. http://atlantis2.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=789012n

    Watch this video on Bayer knowingly sending vaccines contaminated with aids to foreign countries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

    The fact is, drug companies could care less if you live of die as long they extract money from you in the process, that’s all that matters. There is tons of evidence showing this is true, if you look.

    Now if you really want to see a video on ozone go here and buy the video unless be satisfied you’re right is more important. http://www.ozoneuniversity.com/geoffozonepay.htm

    Go to these sites to read more about it since the article I wrote is considered “commercial” which it isn’t and neither are these sites.
    http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=92,634&q=76

    Edit: curezone is a commercial site; in every comment they make, the blog owners will try to sell you their products.

    Go here and see a lot of info on ozone with the story of my wife on the home page. (Double Cancer patient cured by Ozone)
    http://www.o3center.org/

    Get the book called “Flood Your Body With Oxygen” by Ed McCabe and read it.

    Here’s a list of studies done with ozone from a European site. http://www.otsoniterapia.net/viitteet.htm

    After you’ve done your research, then you can argue the facts. Until then what have you accomplished?

    It’s been used in Europe, Russia and other countries for 50 years now and with virtually 0% side effects from thousands and thousands of applications.

    Ozone has been around for 100 years now and used to treat all kinds of disease. Go to the article I compiled. The article is in NO WAY commercial, the site may be, but I’m not promoting the site am I? The article shows the history of ozone, shows what all it treats & shows studies done on ozone. http://alternativecancer.us/ozone.htm

    Watch these videos at YouTube on ozone. Some are not for the squeamish. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ozone+therapy+cancer&search_type=&aq=1&oq=ozone+therap

    There is a ton of evidence that other treatments for cancer work too, if you look. Those who don’t look are doing the same thing the drug industry do, well not really, they suppress everything but their flawed studies and drugs. You guys just haven’t looked. Think about this, if they don’t spend hundreds of millions of dollars on studies showing you can cure cancer naturally, which would be financial destruction, there won’t be “any evidence”. If you depend on a serious flawed system to provide information for you, what does that say about your information?

    Research how the FDA has a SERIOUS conflict of interest going on. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=fda+conflict+of+interest&aq=0&oq=FDA+conflict&aqi=g3&fp=OzgK0dwM7rU

    One other thing I’d like to add. Curing disease naturally is not like taking a pill. What caused the disease wasn’t that easy either. But remember this when the conventional system fails you, and it will, there is only one disease and it’s caused by too many toxins and lack of nutrition. It’s that simple, like the truth always is. And what the conventional medical system calls disease is symptoms of this one disease.

    Ozone is the best tool to remove toxins among other things you’ll learn if you read my article.

    The other tool to curing disease is good nutrition. Nothing from a bottle, box, package or can. Natural food God made for you to eat, in the state he made it to be eaten in. Raw and organic.

    So if you want to cure disease it’s not in some magic pill, it’s something you choose to become. A person who does healthy things and knows what health really is.

    The case for natural therapies vs conventional drugs is a closed and shut case except for the uninformed. Don’t be one of those. If you don’t believe a word I say, then get out there and research it and prove me wrong. If nothing else, for yourself and your loved ones, and maybe for the next person that comes in here saying the same thing, unless your point in all this is to just argue. Don’t sit there in the darkness lashing out at the air. I have first hand experience and I’m telling the world and shouting it from the roof tops like you would do if you knew the truth.

    Now I’ll leave you alone, because like I said, you’ve been informed. The seed has been planted. The ball is in your court. Are you asleep or awake? I got the awake people to help. Like Jesus said, let the dead take care of the dead. And he said (paraphrasing) if they don’t listen to your message, dust your feet off and keep walking others will listen, learn, love and grow.

    Take Care and get out there and learn the truth, :-)
    SS

  • Chris // June 30, 2009 at 7:36 am

    Your site is the pharma mouthpiece.
    The one who barks most is beatis.
    I have helped hundreds of others to beat cancer, diabetes, hypertention and many more.
    Your drugs don’t heal, they slowly disable bodies.
    Pharma is running the money generating racket.
    If anybody wants to be healthy should stay hell out of pharma trained ” doctors ” then they stand a chance.
    I don’t want to waste my time anymore to try to inform you. Have a carcinogenic sausage,drink a bottle of sugary soda, take a statin or warfarin and wait for the ambulance

  • WeWee // June 30, 2009 at 8:00 am

    I have helped hundreds of others to beat cancer, diabetes, hypertention and many more.

    Ignorance, also?
    ;)

  • anaximperator // June 30, 2009 at 8:24 am

    Your site is the pharma mouthpiece.

    Prove it or otherwise shut your big mouth.

    And no insults to Beatis.

  • anaximperator // June 30, 2009 at 11:11 am

    @ Soulsearcher,

    Ok, anaximperator asked for evidence that I’ve helped others. The only one I can provide is this person at curezone.com who had brain cancer. I’m golfegg he refers to in the post.

    Is that all you have? This is not evidence, this is just a testimonial. What is needed for example are pathology reports, results of bloodtests, etc. In the way it is presented here, it’s useless. The same goes for the testimonial about your wife btw.

    The breast cancer lady, which I should have saved the email from, said her tumor was peeling off in her hand. She used ozone and infar-red therapy.

    Doesn’t sound good to me. How did she know this was all of the tumour? Was there a pathology report and what did it say?

    You guys need to get out there a actually research things instead of doing nothing and asking others to do it for you.

    There is a lot of research presented on this blog, we never make a claim which is not backed up with research. Normally the one making the claims is supposed to provide decent evidence for them. Until now, you haven’t done so. Why should we have to do your work for you? You only say: I have done this & that and you just prove I didn’t. Sorry mate, I don’t fall for that.

    I’m sure beatis will testify chemo didn’t promote health when her hair fell out. My wife puked every time she got it. How can a poison that kills ALL cells, be healthy? Why would you want to treat someone who is sick with something that makes you sicker? It’s a crime! The only ones who say because it’s the best medical treatment available hasn’t done their homework and will believe anything if repeated enough times.

    Ozone is just as dangerous as chemotherapy, but without the cancer-killing properties. We only use chemotherapy because letting the cancer grow is far more dangerous. Besides, you seem to forget that surgery is the primary treatment for solid cancers and chemo is used as an adjuvant. You are also not aware of new developments which have already resulted in less chemotherapy.

    There’s nothing to debate once you know the facts.

    And what facts would that be then?

    good nutrition. Nothing from a bottle, box, package or can. Natural food God made for you to eat, in the state he made it to be eaten in. Raw and organic.

    This is not just an immensely stupid remark, it also makes you sound like a true fanatic. Btw, how can you be so sure as to what God’s intentions are?

    Edit: personal remark removed.

  • zanny // June 30, 2009 at 11:27 am

    do the other moderators have their own stories to tell as Beatis has ? as sorry as I am you have had to experience Cancer, I would be intersted in the stories of the other moderators too, to learn how they have gotten through their conventional treatments also

  • beatis // June 30, 2009 at 11:50 am

    The youngest son of Anax’s stepbrother/best friend had leukemia sorry, Hodgin’s lymphoma, when he was 12. The boy was cured with conventional treatment. He is now at university, studying biochemistry. He is also captain of his rowing team and doing fine. A good friend of Anax is now suffering from leukemia (AML) and is having a hard time with the treatments, although his prognosis is still reasonably good.

    Sadly, all of us have also seen people die of cancer. When cancer has metastatisized one’s chances are not good, generally speaking, although there are rare exceptions to this rule and many people live much longer than they used to.

    I’ll see if the’re willing to tell their stories.

  • beatis // June 30, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Hi WeWee,

    Well, you know what Schiller said:

    Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain.

    :lol:

  • evenarsenicisnatural // June 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Aww, another one has dropped it’s binkie – and has a loaded diaper that reeks.

  • SoulSearcher // July 2, 2009 at 5:26 am

    There seems to be a bad case of the pot calling the kettle black going on in here. You guys ask for “evidence” like you can upload a x-ray or have a doctor come in here with his letter head and verify facts, yet what “evidence” has anyone of you presented? Exactly the same thing you say is hogwash to me. Testimonials. Not that I doubt Beatis for a second. I can tell Beatis is an intelligent, warm and caring person. I can tell zanny is a nice person too.

    I find it interesting how the facts get ignored in here too. I’ve shown scientific studies done on ozone, books and video evidence, yet it gets ignored. I’ve also shown written and video evidence on how screwed up the conventional system is and that gets ignored. And what gets debated and attacked? The conclusions. Like there was no evidence given for it.

    I also find it interesting how not one of you have debated how toxic chemo is, or how the FDA has a serious conflict of interest. I could go on and on showing you the facts on how the current system is an utter failure, but what good would it do? A head in the sand doesn’t see or hear anything.

    I just talked to the guy I’m helping with lung cancer, who the conventional system abandoned, and he went to the gym for the first time in years today. And just a few weeks ago he couldn’t go shopping. But I know, that’s a testimonial from the enemy so it doesn’t count. Only your testimonials are true right?

    Go on believing that the cancer treatments are doing a better job when it’s still cut, burn and poison. The only reason they’re “getting better” is because of number playing and earlier detection which in a lot of cases the body will take care of anyway. Go on believing tumors are what’s killing most people when it’s a proven fact that doing NOTHING at all will let them live a longer and it’s their treatments that are killing them faster. Go ahead and bankrupt yourself (remeber we spent $90,000 for nothing) on “medicine” and unnecessary treatments. There’s a lady at work who spent $40,000 for an infection that could have been cured for $100. It’s your choice. Go on believing our life spans are getting longer when this next generation will be the first to NOT out live their parents with obesity, diabetes, cancer and heart disease in teens and younger children are at epidemic proportions now. It’s all good right? Put your faith in science. They’ll take care of you. When the swine flu mutates this fall and you line up to get your manditory shots, remember, you were told. And you won’t see me in that line.

    You guys don’t even understand the lies being told to you with health, so how are you going to understand the rest of the lies being told to you?

    Ok, I’m outta here. You’ve been told and you’ve ignored the truth. So be it. Save your time in responding because I won’t get them.

    Take Care,
    SS

  • beatis // July 2, 2009 at 6:34 am

    @ Soulsearcher,

    There seems to be a bad case of the pot calling the kettle black going on in here. You guys ask for “evidence” like you can upload a x-ray or have a doctor come in here with his letter head and verify facts, yet what “evidence” has anyone of you presented? Exactly the same thing you say is hogwash to me. Testimonials.

    You haven’t given us any particulars whatsoever as to the kind of breast cancer your wife had, for example HER-2 status, hormone receptor status, hereditary genes, MA-status, type of cancer and how it was diagnosed, nothing at all.

    I find it interesting how the facts get ignored in here too. I’ve shown scientific studies done on ozone, books and video evidence, yet it gets ignored. I’ve also shown written and video evidence on how screwed up the conventional system is and that gets ignored. And what gets debated and attacked? The conclusions. Like there was no evidence given for it.

    They don’t get ignored. The problem is your argument, in which you state that chemo is 100% bad and useless and ozone is 100% good and effective. This is not what is shown by research. There is some indication that ozone may be helpful in treating cancer, although the evidence is inconclusive, but there is no reason to think that as a stand-alone treatment it will do better than current conventional treatments. I think you must be very careful in promising people 100% cure when you are not 100% certain you can deliver. There is just too much at stake for a cancer patient.

    I also find it interesting how not one of you have debated how toxic chemo is, or how the FDA has a serious conflict of interest. I could go on and on showing you the facts on how the current system is an utter failure, but what good would it do? A head in the sand doesn’t see or hear anything.

    We know chemo is toxic, nobody here has ever said it isn’t. Anything that makes your hair fall out is bound to be toxic. But ozone can be just as toxic. The point is not whether it is toxic or not, the point is whether it will kill cancer cells sufficiently and quickly enough, what side effects there are and if and how patients can overcome these.

    I just talked to the guy I’m helping with lung cancer, who the conventional system abandoned, and he went to the gym for the first time in years today. And just a few weeks ago he couldn’t go shopping. But I know, that’s a testimonial from the enemy so it doesn’t count. Only your testimonials are true right?

    The problem with most testimonials is that they lack vital information about the disease and the treatment. What you are saying here is not even a testimonial. What kind of lung cancer has this guy? What did the pathology reports say, what was the outcome of scans/x-rays, which conventional treatments did he have, what was the reason the conventional system ‘abandoned’ him? Wasn’t there anything palliative that could be done? What about pain medication, wasn’t this offered either?

    Go on believing that the cancer treatments are doing a better job when it’s still cut, burn and poison. The only reason they’re “getting better” is because of number playing and earlier detection which in a lot of cases the body will take care of anyway.

    You seem to have a problem with numbers. Since early detection has come into full swing, e.g. with breast cancer, fatality numbers for breast cancer have dramatically gone down. So what you say can’t possibly be correct.

    which in a lot of cases the body will take care of anyway

    How do you know this? How was I to know for example whether my body would have taken care of my cancer itself, so there was no need for me to be ‘cut and poisoned?’ What if my body had decided not to take care of my cancer itself? Btw, this way of expressing yourself can be extremely unpleasant for people who have undergone these treatments.

    Go ahead and bankrupt yourself (remeber we spent $90,000 for nothing) on “medicine” and unnecessary treatments.

    Weren’t you insured? This for starters could never happen in my country. All my medical costs concerning my cancer were covered by my health insurance and still are to this day, like physical therapy for example. Perhaps it’s time Americans start to evaluate their health system with a critical eye.

    Ok, I’m outta here. You’ve been told and you’ve ignored the truth. So be it. Save your time in responding because I won’t get them.

    Be my guest.

  • jli // July 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Soulsearcher wrote:

    Ok, anaximperator asked for evidence that I’ve helped others. The only one I can provide is this person at curezone.com who had brain cancer. I’m golfegg he refers to in the post.

    At a glance this looks like another example of an altie getting/taking credit for something that was achieved through the given conventional treatment (surgical removal of a malignant melanoma and lymphnodes followed by radiotherapy of a solitary metastasis.

  • cryptocheilus // July 3, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Save your time in responding because I won’t get them.

    Yeah. Thats the way. Do your thing and run away.

  • beatis // July 4, 2009 at 7:46 am

    :lol:

  • Ariel // July 5, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Hello!
    First of all, I think you’re a real brave woman and I’m sure your story is an example of strenght and hope for women in the same situation.

    To Soulsearcher, I have a few questions about your comments:

    “Anyway, if you look into it, just about all bad things for the body hate oxygen and all the good things love it. It’s the most important thing for the body”

    When did ozone become the oxygen our cells need? Because from what I know, O3 isn’t O2, and believe me, that’s not a small difference. It seems to me as if you were saying that carbon and diamonds are exactly the same thing with the same properties because they are made of C atoms. Come on! Ozone actually is toxic too, it’s only good when it’s far above (around 25 kilometers above the planet’s surface).

    Also, a cancer cell is a normal cell that has gained abilities that it shouldn’t be expressing, such as being able of proliferating without control and even pumping out the medicines. Still, it’s a cell from your body, with your DNA (some mutations included). It has the same metabolic pathways your other cells do. How does the ozone distinguish them as “evil”? Why doesn’t it kill the other cells too? Are there studies that show, on a cell culture, for instance, which mechanisms make it possible for the ozone to kill only the cancer cells and not the normal cells?

    And at last, yes, chemo is toxic. The doses given to the patients are as safe as possible, though, and they DON’T kill all your cells. If the chemotherapy killed all your cells, you’d die on the first session. What it does is to kill cells that proliferate fastly (any of them — that’s why the patients lose their hair).

    If you are correct, you should be able to provide more evidence and to argue in a more convincent way. If you’re wrong, there is the possibility you’re being innocent and the possibility you’re trying to fool people into paying for a “treatment” that hasn’t been realiably established.
    I sincerely hope you’re not on the last group of people.

    To beatis and anaximperator,
    thank you for posting this story and also for posting about that quackery promoted by self-called doctors on some of the alternative treatments. It is a crime to try to sell BS to people in such a condition, because the time wasted in those treatments could mean the difference between cure and death, not to mention how disgusting it is to see that those quacks are playing with people’s lives.
    Keep up the good work!

  • beatis // July 6, 2009 at 8:22 am

    @ Ariel,

    Thank you so much for your kind words, I can’t tell you how much this means to us!

    And at last, yes, chemo is toxic. The doses given to the patients are as safe as possible, though, and they DON’T kill all your cells. If the chemotherapy killed all your cells, you’d die on the first session. What it does is to kill cells that proliferate fastly (any of them — that’s why the patients lose their hair).

    You are perfectly right, chemo doesn’t kill all your cells. This also explains why I didn’t catch the flu after my chemo, while several people around me did and why I am able to cycle to work and back (40 kilometers in total) on a regular basis.

    How does the ozone distinguish them [cancer cells] as “evil”? Why doesn’t it kill the other cells too? Are there studies that show, on a cell culture, for instance, which mechanisms make it possible for the ozone to kill only the cancer cells and not the normal cells?

    (bold by me)

    Ozone of course doesn’t make that distinction. Being able to distinguish between cancer cells and normal cells is the holy grail in cancer treatments and if ozone would be able to do this, without a doubt the whole world would know about it. I have no idea why Soulsearcher tells stories like these. Some people do indeed believe their own delusions. But sadly many of them are just in it for the money, having discovered that desperate people often are an easy prey.

  • evenarsenicisnatural // July 6, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Soulsearcher seems to be a shill from the Quackzone, err, so-called Curezone.

    That site is filled with peddlers of dangerous and outright false ‘treatments’ and promotes heathcare fraud under the guise of being natural.

    Outrageous and extraordinary claims are just part of the salespitch for them to turn a buck. They have no regard or remorse for duping any potential customer.

  • rethoryke // July 24, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    You handled that quackery with patience and grace — I wish you all the best!

  • beatis // July 24, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    @ rethoryke,

    Thank you :-)

  • peter // September 8, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Hi. There are well-meaning people on both sides of this debate. Therefore, I have nothing but compassion for those who have come forward here with true firsthand testimonies of their own suffering and healing. In a dispassionate analysis of statistics on healing versus risks and suffering, however, alternative, especially holistic, protocols seem far superior and in fact far less risky or dangerous. Standard cancer treatments of course have the advantage of huge pharmaceutical funding , the full support of the AMA, virtually unlimited research opportunities, and massive media coverage. As a result, the burden placed on alternative protocols, such as : “Show us the science! Show us the research!” could perhaps be answered: “Show us the money!” As a result, alternative treatments have to rely on firsthand testimonials and anecdotal evidence which, as we see here, is routinely attacked on gossip boards such as this, and by obvious pharmaceutical front sites as “risky” and “dangerous”. The fact that a strong alternative movement is growing, supported by an increasing number of practicing, licensed medical doctors, is highly suggestive, to say the least, that there is a growing dissatisfaction with conventional treatments for cancer and other maladies. There’s a reason for that. It is also interesting that the sector of the medical establishment that profits most from experimental and often dangerous treatments is the pharmaceutical industry. The average gossip-board poster here is probably unaware for example the Journal of the American Medical Association itself published a study revealing that 51% of the members of the FDA have financial ties to the medications they vote on. The gossip-board posters are also probably unaware that more than half of the medications the FDA does approve are subsequently withdrawn from the market or re-labeled because they are discovered to be unacceptably dangerous and harmful, within sixth months after approval; that is, after six months of profits. These are all verifiable statistics, as is the fact that millions of people are killed or injured by either taking medications prescribed by their physicians or while under hospital care. Look it up. Start with researching related reports in JAMA. Then proceed to the British Lancet, Townsend Letter for Doctors, and so on. Fortunately for those of us who are interested in true healing, and not the established litany of convention, the hypocrisy and double-standard on the part of allopathic medicine is becoming more and more clear. For example, if one (1) person is supposedly harmed by an herb or vitamin, it will make headlines. Similarly, if one (1) doctor publishes a new theory in a book and goes on TV to promote his work- despite not having hurt anyone whatsoever, (unlike the pharmaceutical industry), and in fact despite a unanimous consensus of positive opinion among his patients- he is quickly accused on these gossip boards and the obvious pharmaceutical front sites of being primarily profit-driven, (which seems legitimate only if you’re a pharmaceutical company), and of course unsupported by millions of dollars in research. The last place you will see all of this articulated is on an Internet gossip board. These forums are, for the most part, simply a safe haven for the unhappy, the uninformed, and those who covertly represent mainstream economic interests, such as the phony “quackbuster-type” sites. I hope when the pharmaceutical apologists respond below, they will state facts based on research conducted in major universities and medical centers and published in major peer-reviewed medical journals, as I have, and tell us how to research their statements, as I have. I hope that any gossipers who decide to respond critically ask themselves why they personally find my statements so upsetting. I do find that the fear and ignorance so rampant on these anonymous boards often adopts a type of arrogance and smugness often seen in mainstream medicine, rather than prompting a genuine search for the truth. We’ll see.

  • beatis // September 8, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Hi. There are well-meaning people on both sides of this debate. Therefore, I have nothing but compassion for those who have come forward here with true firsthand testimonies of their own suffering and healing.

    Thank you!

    In a dispassionate analysis of statistics on healing versus risks and suffering, however, alternative, especially holistic, protocols seem far superior and in fact far less risky or dangerous.

    Oh really? And where would we find those statistics?

    Standard cancer treatments of course have the advantage of huge pharmaceutical funding, the full support of the AMA, virtually unlimited research opportunities, and massive media coverage.

    They also have the tremendous advantage that in many cases they actually succeed in helping people survive cancer.

    As a result, the burden placed on alternative protocols, such as: “Show us the science! Show us the research!” could perhaps be answered: “Show us the money!”

    When you make scientific claim, you are expected to substantiate it. That is just a matter of decency and scientific ethics.

    You claim that there is no money in the CAM-world to do scientific research. But a lot of research has been done into alternative therapies, albeit with tax-payers’ money – without any positive results as to this day.

    There is a lot of money being made in CAM, it is a billion dollar industry. Surely they can use some of their profits to carry out scientific research, like the pharmaceutical industry does too?

    As a result, alternative treatments have to rely on firsthand testimonials and anecdotal evidence which, as we see here, is routinely attacked on gossip boards such as this, and by obvious pharmaceutical front sites as “risky” and “dangerous”.

    Well, er… no. See my previous reply.

    But even if this were true: good case histories can be a excellent source of information and even evidence. And it is something that every therapist can do: meticulously recording all relevant data of everything concerning the treatments they give their patients, their condition, their illness, their progression. But this is rarely done. Instead, we are being fobbed off with anonymous testimonials that lack every relevant detail and are thus completely worthless. You can hardly blame conventional medicine for that.

    The gossip-board posters are also probably unaware that more than half of the medications the FDA does approve are subsequently withdrawn from the market or re-labeled because they are discovered to be unacceptably dangerous and harmful, within sixth months after approval; that is, after six months of profits. These are all verifiable statistics, as is the fact that millions of people are killed or injured by either taking medications prescribed by their physicians or while under hospital care. Look it up.

    (my bold)

    No, I won’t look it up. If it’s all so easily verifiable, why don’t you give us the verifications in your comment? Why do we have to look up the information on the claims that you make?

    These forums are, for the most part, simply a safe haven for the unhappy, the uninformed,

    Which forums do you mean? This one? And who do you mean by unhappy and uninformed? I’m neither unhappy nor uninformed, so it can’t be me.

    and those who covertly represent mainstream economic interests, such as the phony “quackbuster-type” sites.

    Ah, the pharma shill gambit! I wondered when you would bring that up. You’ll forgive me for not going into a poor, pathetic excuse for an argument like that.

    I hope when the pharmaceutical apologists respond below, they will state facts based on research conducted in major universities and medical centers and published in major peer-reviewed medical journals, as I have, and tell us how to research their statements, as I have.

    Like you have?? You can’t be serious! We are not so arrogant as to order people to go and research the claims we make, we do our research before making any claims. There isn’t a single claim in the posts on this blog which isn’t substantiated. You on the other hand substantiate nothing. You just deliver empty rants.

    I hope that any gossipers who decide to respond critically ask themselves why they personally find my statements so upsetting.

    You call them upsetting, I find them offensive. And not paticularly intelligent either, to put it mildly.

    I do find that the fear and ignorance so rampant on these anonymous boards often adopts a type of arrogance and smugness often seen in mainstream medicine, rather than prompting a genuine search for the truth. We’ll see.

    By all means stay away if you feel the company here is not to your standards.

  • anaximperator // September 8, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Hi Peter,

    Ever heard of paragraphs?

  • WeWee // September 9, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Hi, Peter.

    I’m interested in alternative medicines.

    I’ve heard so much, but I want you to treat me with the facts, not with words or gossip.

    Can you give me an evidence of effectiveness of a CAM chosen by you?

    Not thousand proofs, I mean at least ONE evidence. Real evidence.
    Thanks.
    :)

  • jli // September 10, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    @ Peter

    As a result, alternative treatments have to rely on firsthand testimonials and anecdotal evidence

    Do you seriously believe that alternative practitioners can´t afford to conduct unbiased scientific research on the efficacy of their methods? Conventional medicine is not per se against new ideas. History has shown again and again, that when “absurd” ideas prove themselves through unbiased research data they become mainstream. You don´t seem to understand why unbiased research is necessary. If you really want to understand why, then this site -> http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=729 is a good place to start. Try to look beyond your prejudice against blog posters.

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