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Fungus and Cancer: Tullio Simoncini’s Sodium Bicarbonate Treatment is Dangerous

Based on expert reports of two physicians, the Dutch Health Care Inspectorate has concluded that Tullio Simoncini’s cancer treatment with sodium bicarbonate is dangerous and should not be administered. Here is a translation of the news release of the Dutch Health Care Inspectorate.

News from the Netherlands Health Inspectorate
February 4, 2008

The Administration of Sodium Bicarbonate to Cancer Patients is Hazardous.

The infusion of sodium bicarbonate to vulnerable patients is hazardous and ineffective. This is the conclusion of two expert physicians who wrote reports on request of The Netherlands Health Inspectorate (Inspectie voor de Gezondheidszorg, IGZ). The IGZ asked them for advice when in 2007 a patient with cancer died in the Free University Medical Centre in Amsterdam after she had received sodium bicarbonate in a clinic in Bilthoven. Currently, the clinic has, under the pressure of the IGZ, stopped administering this therapy and will not restart it. In the meantime it has not been firmly established that the patient has died as a consequence of the sodium bicarbonate administration. The Public Prosecutor is still investigating this.

Based on the expert report, the IGZ has first of all reached the conclusion that there are no scientific data that justify the administration of sodium bicarbonate to patients with cancer for other indications than described in the official prescription information. There is no scientific proof whatsoever showing that this therapy cures or can slow its progress.

The IGZ concludes that the administration of sodium bicarbonate even has risks for patients with high blood pressure, patients with diseases of lungs, heart, or kidneys and for patients with cancer. This is certainly the case if a number of specific blood levels are not monitored daily before, during and after the treatment. The balance of the body can become completely disturbed when large amounts are administered. In severely ill patients, this may lead to organ damage. In sick people, there is in fact irresponsible health care if this product is administered without monitoring.

Given these risks and because there is no scientific basis for the effectiveness of sodium bicarbonate apart from the registered indications, the IGZ concludes that physicians should not apply this treatment. If physicians administer these despite this warning and/or the IGZ receives reports of cases thereof, the reports will of course be investigated, whereby the aforementioned considerations will play an important role. The IGZ will not hesitate to inform the Disciplinary Medical Board.

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62 responses to “Fungus and Cancer: Tullio Simoncini’s Sodium Bicarbonate Treatment is Dangerous

  1. Mario Rossetti November 22, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    I apologize but do not speak English. Using a translator.
    If you say that the bicarbonate that every day is administered to thousands of sick for several diseases in all clinical trials of the world is dangerous … and then the chemo, or hydrochloric acid (Why is this bottom) which is administered by the Medical Journal is healthy for the sick?
    Despite what you say in this blog, there is evidence that the success of official medicine against cancer are close to 2%! I’m close to zero!
    At this link is the official American report of 2004 which proves what I say:

    http://fiocco59.altervista.org/images/studi_effetti_chemio_5_anni.pdf

    At this link is the video testimonies of people healed by Simoncini!

    http://www.curenaturalicancro.org/testimonianze.htm

    Then ask: Who is the criminal?

  2. beatis November 22, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    @ Mario Rosetti,

    About the study you quote: I’ve been doing some research into that, and I found the following information on this website:

    There are a number of serious problems with this study. Indeed, it seemed custom-designed to underestimate the effect of chemotherapy. For example, it used all newly diagnosed adult patients with cancer as its denominator even though not all cancers are treated with chemotherapy. This alone tends to obscure the magnitude of the benefit in many of the subgroups. It also only follows five year survivals, which for some cancers will also underestimate the benefit of chemotherapy. For example, breast cancer can have late recurrences, and the magnitude of benefit of adjuvant chemotherapy is greater at ten years than it is at five years, because the control and chemotherapy survival curves keep separating beyond five years.

    There are also some oddities that all serve to underestimate the benefit of chemotherapy in cancer. The most glaring of these was the failure to include leukemias, which, when they are cured, are always cured with chemotherapy. They also ignore benefits of chemotherapy other than cure in terms of improved median survival in many advanced cancers that, while chemotherapy may not represent a cure, is nonetheless important to cancer patients. Moreover, there is also benefit in terms of improved quality of life and alleviation of symptoms–even in advanced disease. Of course, it comes as no surprise that purveyors of dubious “alternative” medicine therapies love this study and cite it endlessly. Don’t get me wrong. There are legitimate criticisms of how we as oncologists use chemotherapy and just how much benefit (or additional benefit when used in the adjuvant setting) chemotherapy really provides, but this study doesn’t provide a good evidence-based list of them.

    You can find a big article on Simoncini’s theory on this website, in the post ‘Is cancer a fungus?’

  3. Tara January 7, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    I have a friend looking for others who have used the protocol as outlined by Italian oncologist Tullio Simoncini on cancerfungus.com. If you have any insight I’d really appreciate you posting responding to her comment: http://www.trusera.com/health/answers/linhsien/does-anyone-know-anyone-who-s-used-sodium-bicarb-infusions-for-the-treatment-of-cancer

  4. beatis January 8, 2009 at 6:16 am

    If I were you, I’d advise your friend to stay away from this man. Two things are certain when you let yourself to be treated by him: 1) it won’t do any good; 2) it will cost you money.
    But it certainly won’t help one bit, because it’s an absolute bogus therapy.

  5. wayne January 15, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    What i find amazing is how fast people on here call this bogus when there is most likely some truth to what he is saying. I have known countless ppl who have gone to traditional therapies only to organs removed, chemo which has made them sick and with in short times, still die. So are these therapies quack then? Seems to me thats what your saying. You quote one patient that died while in treatment, perhaps other reasons she died?
    My father passed away soon after having a stent put in, im sure that is a quack therapy now as well, after all, look at what the doctors made off of his illness,

  6. beatis January 15, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Definition of quackery: “the promotion, for profit, of a medical remedy known to be false or unproven.”

    That people sometimes die in spite of medical treatments, does not mean that the treatment as such is always useless. Simoncini’s therapy however is useless, because it is based on a theory that is completely unfounded and for which he has not the slightest evicendence, let alone proof. He does not understand the first thing about cancer, his videos are manipulated and the scans on his website tampered with. Many people have told him he is wrong, so he could have known better, yet he persists in making people believe he can cure their cancer with sodium bicarbonate. And he is asking money for his scam. This makes him a quack if there ever was one.

    When someone’s cancer is in a curable stage and they have conventional therapy, they stand a good chance of full recovery. When people go to Simoncini, their chances of survival are zero, his therapy is useless as well as dangerous.

    The woman who died after being treated by Simoncini, had cancer in a curable stage, from which she could have been cured with conventional therapy. She went to Simoncini because she was afraid and now she is dead. You may think that’s not a big deal, but I think it’s a bloody shame.

  7. wayne January 15, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    so if a doctor asks for money for chemo or some other type of quackery, then he should be arrested?, have you ever looked up the % of people that die in hospitals each year from mistaken diagnosis, wrong prescriptions, needless operations, infections, and the list goes on and on, reaches somewhere around 200, ooo ppl a year from statistics i see and here you quote one death that isnt even mentioned if it was caused by treatment, just that she died
    i was recently treated for a mrsa infection , my doctor prescribed wrong antibiotic for this, which I myself researched and found out, treated myself with colloidal silver which cured this infection yet according to your view, anything like this is unproven so there is worthless but yet here i am, free of mrsa and would of suffered harm under my doctors care
    soooooooooooooooo doctors then according to your view must be quacks?

  8. beatis January 15, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Why didn’t you confront your doctor with your discovery?
    Colloidal silver is quackery, it can be very dangerous. Luckily, a lot of the stuff that is being sold as colloidal silver contains very little of it or none at all.
    Should you want to know more about the “blessings” of colloidal silver, you might want to read this:

    http://www.rosemaryjacobs.com/

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

  9. wayne January 15, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    did you even read what i said, my mrsa is gone, thanks to colloidal silver and i laughed when i read what you posted, not only was it NOT dangerous, it cured my mrsa,
    what you read about colloidal silver is someone turning blue which i can assure you it hasnt,
    now someone can if they abuse, it, i bet if you take an entire bottle of tetracycline, it can be dangerous as well,
    now, back to my post, did you even read it, i am mrsa free thanks to colloidal silver
    my doctor wont even return phone calls, see, they want the fee you pay them when you make an appointment
    he must be a quack , makes money off of peoples illnesses

  10. beatis January 15, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Good for you that your mrsa is gone and I’m sorry your doctor doesn’t return your phone calls.

  11. wayne January 15, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    the colloidal silver i used, i would have to drink a bottle a day for 72 years before i would even come close to a toxic dosage
    so please tell me why its dangerous? and dont quote the quack from quackwatch,
    now am i saying all doctors are quacks, NO
    am i saying all alternative therapys are not?, NO
    but unless there is compromise where alternatives are used along side other treatments and not have doctors give you scare tactics to have them use their treatments, maybe we could actually save some lives, i see first hand my father get talked into a stent when i tried to warn him of the dangers of this and what could happen, only to come back and find out the doctors talked him in to this quickly with out being told of the dangers, only to come home and find that he died, but im sure the stent procedure was considered a success,
    the thing back to this treatment with bicarbonate of soda, perhaps there is some truth in what it does, maybe its not understood, so why dont other doctors see why, or see why he feels it does cure, and maybe it could be part of a breakthrough, im sure you would or can at least agree with that

  12. beatis January 15, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    I’m very sorry for you about your father, that is very sad indeed. But two wrongs don’t make a right. That your father was treated badly is very tragic and unjust, but it does not make it acceptable that Simoncini should lie to people that he can cure them of cancer when in fact he knows very well he can do nothing of the sort.

    Cancer is not a reaction to candida albicans, nor is it caused by candida albicans. But even if it were, it couldn’t be cured with sodium bicarbonate. There is far better medication to get rid of systemic fungus infections than sodium bicarbonate.

  13. wayne January 15, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    i dont know, your credibility regarding your attitude with colloidal silver and mrsa has shown to me anyway, you have no clue
    can you prove your statements that as you say, he knowingly lied to patients and knows he cant cure them and your firm belief that cancer is not a reaction or even part of having a candida albican infections
    Normal healthy tissue needs oxygen to live and grow, cancer and fungus cells can use sugar as their primary source of energy for growth, this is called anaerobic respiration or fermentation.
    so why cant there be a relation if dr Simoncini has had success with this

  14. wayne January 15, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    next thing i know, you will be saying chelation doesnt have any use as an alternative to by pass
    which by the way is still yet to proven as a safe treatment for heart disease, have yet to see any blind studies regarding this very dangerous and often deadly treatment

  15. beatis January 15, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Then why doesn’t he come up with some evidence? He makes the claim, he should come up with evidence. Up to now, he hasn’t done so. And there is not one pathologist in the world who has even seen candida being the cause of cancer. There is a pathologist on this blog, who has been studying cancer on a daily basis for years, you might want to read some of his posts, his blogname is jli. He also has a website where he explains some facts regarding cancer: http://www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus/

  16. beatis January 15, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Believe what you will.

  17. wayne January 15, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    i dont believe what i will, but thats exactly what i see coming from your view, i want the truth, i see a connection, whether its the cause, i dont know, but there is a connection to fungus, whether its a cure , again, i dont know, but i feel its worth looking at more closely
    he is not the only oncologist that feels there is a connection,
    again, your credibility is in question, you want to believe what you will about colloidal and i would put myself up to any test anyone would want to give , colloidal cured my mrsa and yet you wanted to show me how dangerous and useless it was, so evidence can be shown to you, as much as can be on here and yet you still wish to ignore it, thats my issue, you fail to look at something that may have a connection to cancer
    and it was you that was making a claim he knowingly lied to patients and knew he couldn’t
    all i said, was for you to prove that

  18. beatis January 15, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Simoncini hasn’t come up with evidence for his theory and still maintains he can cure cancer. What else is that but a lie?
    Simoncini has tampered with the video and the scans on his website; you can’t do this by accident, it was done deliberately. What else is that but lies?
    You may question my credibility as much as you want to. I question Simoncini’s credibility.

  19. wayne January 15, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    in your own words, believe what you will

  20. beatis January 16, 2009 at 11:38 am

    I prefer knowledge to belief. :-)

  21. wayne January 16, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Let me know when you get some and can actually think for yourself.

  22. beatis January 16, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    I get the feeling your main intention is insulting people and ranting against science and standard medicine.

  23. beatis January 16, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    BTW Simoncini was convicted in Italy for lying to patients about the efficacy of this treatments and asking money for it as well. That is also the reason his medical licence was revoked for life.

  24. wayne January 16, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    you seemed to quote quackwatch so quickly in previous posts with out even thinking if they are correct, why doesn’t the drug vioxx show up in their site?

  25. wayne January 16, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    my doctor lied to me as well, and ya know, he asked for money as well, even had insurance pay him some incredible amount as well, prescribed antibiotics with out even knowing what i had, said a culture wouldn’t work, (which it did, i had someone else do it, ) should i sue him? or have his license taken away?

  26. wayne January 16, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    see, where your credibility went out the window was when you started to quote the quack from quackwatch, seems he really doesn’t look out for others now does he.

  27. wayne January 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    There ARE quacks out there, and ineffective and even dangerous treatments to watch out for.. But a site that condemns anything that did not come from one of the large drug companies is of no real use.

  28. beatis January 16, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    If your doctor deliberately lied to you and has otherwise been malpractising, I certainly think he should be sued. If that should result in his licence being taken away, so be it. There are professional standards which all doctors should adhere to.

    As for Vioxx, this is all very lamentable. The side effect did come up during trials, but not very distinctly, this only showed later on, when many people were already using it. The company can be blamed – and was in fact blamed and found guilty – for not withdrawing the drug sooner. They had already received warnings from a number of parties, health insurers for example. Also, they knew it was being prescribed as a subsitute for aspirin or paracetamol to people with sport injuries. The company has issued a warning against this, but hardly any attention was payed and apparently they left it at that.

    Vioxx was designed for people with reumatoid arthritis, a friend of mine has used it for a few months, shortly before it was withdrawn. In spite of the side-effects, the drug does what it is supposed to do: she was virtually pain free for three months and she had totally forgotten what a wonderful feeling that is. There are other drugs with the same effect and practically the same amount of risk, however patients are being better informed of the risks and these drugs are now only given to patients that really need them. When you have rheumatoid arthritis, you are somehow always stuck between a rock and a hard place. For the disease is not only very painful and physically debilitating, people with rheumatoid arthritis are also more prone to atherosclerosis, risk of myocardial infarction (heart attack) and stroke. My friend has decided to take that risk, for she finds life without medication to be very hard and at times unbearable.

  29. wayne January 16, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    sorry to hear about your friend, however, the FDA acted in a manner not consistent with there stated goal, should it be punished for this? How many people died from there lack of honesty?

    Are they to be trusted?
    but i stand by my statement, quackwatch which you like to refer is of no use, in fact is dangerous to the public.
    again, i refer back to your wrong view that colloidal silver is dangerous and ineffective when in fact it is effective.

  30. beatis January 16, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    If you think this site is of no use, you are free to stay away.

  31. beatis January 16, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    When you have a problem with quackwatch, why not contact them?

  32. wayne January 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    where have i said this site is of no use, its your lack of thinking that i think is wrong. why do you wish to defend them so eagerly when facts state other wise?

  33. wayne January 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    I notice you don’t answer questions very well.

  34. beatis January 16, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    We don’t know of any facts that state otherwise – I take it you are referring to the efficacy of colloidal silver btw. If you can show us facts to that effect then please do so.

  35. beatis January 16, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    I see now that you were not referrring to this site but to the Quackwatch site when you said “it” is of no use. Sorry.

  36. wayne January 16, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    i missed one of your replies and just now read it, i am not trying to have any kind of attitude and if i came across that way, i apologize, that was never my intent.

  37. Dave March 29, 2009 at 6:36 am

    I have enjoyed your back and forth…I found this from the WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/documents/info-checkup-110904-print.html

    I was googling what is chemotherapy and found this: “Glufosfamide, delivered intravenously, combines a glucose molecule with the active ingredient in chemotherapy drug ifosfamide. The drug targets tumor cells, which require — and crave — glucose to thrive”

    I have heard of glucose before and found that it’s a sugar! What grows best with sugar…hmmm…yeast…fungus…hmmm!

    I think beatis what wayne was trying to say is that he was EVIDENCE that colloidal silver cured him and you didn’t want to acknowledge that evidence no matter what. Maybe Simoncini is a quack, but you cannot outright discount him just like you can’t discount wayne’s cure. Something happened…

    I find more scientist and doctors are the most closed minded people around…and they’re supposed to be the most open to curiosity.

    Anyway, my two cents worth.

  38. beatis March 29, 2009 at 8:34 am

    @ Dave,

    I think beatis what wayne was trying to say is that he was EVIDENCE that colloidal silver cured him

    Wayne said: “I cured myself of cancer mrsa with colloidal silver.” That is a statement, it’s not evidence.

    Are you sure you are not confusing insuline and sugar? Some studies show that having higher levels of insulin is linked with an increased risk of some kinds of cancer, such as womb cancer and breast cancer. Read this for example: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134990.php

  39. jli March 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Wayne said: “I cured myself of cancer with colloidal silver.”

    To be more correct it was an mrsa-infection he claimed he was cured for by colloidal silver.
    But the point is still valid. It is a statement – not evidence. But let us use this example to see if this statement is sufficient evidence. First mrsa-infection is not something you can diagnose by symptoms alone. You need to sample and submit something containing the mrsa to a microbiology lab for establishing that. From what he writes it does not look like he suffered from any condition requiring hospitalization. Perhaps it was a minor boil that was opened and emptied by his GP. That would explain how the diagnosis could have been established. One should also remember that the body itself atacks infectios organisms. Take for instance the common cold which is caused by a virus. If you don´t do anything about it the body will defeat the infection on its own in a couple of days. So in this case we have actually three possible explanations of why Wayne was cured:

    1) Colloidal silver – Wayne is convinced of that.
    2) The diagnostic procedure may have been (part of) the cure, even if it is not aknowledged by wayne
    3) The bodys own immune-system – apparantly Wayne doesn´t believe that either.

    Correct antibiotic treatment may shorten the healing period, just as echinacea may shorten the duration of a cold.

    I find more scientist and doctors are the most closed minded people around

    But there are lots of examples throughout history that doctors and scientists changed their minds when evidence emerged. Let me give you just a few examples to consider:

    1) Bloodletting is no more standard therapy for every condition.
    2) It is accepted that smoking can cause lung cancer.
    3) It is accepted that gastric ulcer can be caused by a bacterial infection.
    4) Poor hygiene is dangerous to ill people.

    And the list goes on and on. I find that history shows that doctors are indeed open-minded.

    I think that proponents of alternative medicine tend to be closed-minded. We don´t have to look further than some of the comments on this blog to see that for ourselves. And when confronted with it they even start to contradict themselves. Let me illustrate that last point with a few quotes from a rather lengthy series of comments on http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/simoncini-scam-murderer/:

    Tony Isaacs said:

    Beatis you said “And as there is no alternative treatment that can cure cancer on its own, I think it is dangerous when cancer patients forgo standard therapy and rely completely on alternative therapies to cure their cancer.”

    You are terribly misinformed, as just the opposite is true.

    And in his latest farewell post he said:

    I never said that had a “cure” for cancer, much less that I alone had a “cure”. I did say that natural alternatives did offer hope for many people,

    Dave wrote:

    The drug targets tumor cells, which require — and crave — glucose to thrive”

    I have heard of glucose before and found that it’s a sugar! What grows best with sugar…hmmm…yeast…fungus…hmmm!

    Why would anything that thrives on sugar have to be a fungus??? Anyway it is understood why cancer is not a fungus http://www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_is_not_a_fungus
    In my opinion it is very close-minded to insist on that cancer is a fungus, when evidence without a shred of doubt shows that it is not.

  40. beatis March 29, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Thanks Jli, Wayne in fact did say that he cured himself of mrsa, not cancer. My mistake, I’m sorry.

  41. jli March 29, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    No need to be sorry. He was a bit off topic, so I understand how this memory slip can occur. Happens to me all the time :-) Anyway it gave us another opportunity do discuss what can be wrong with patient testimonials – so I thank you for bringing it forward again.

  42. Dave March 29, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Hi, guys!

    My point wasn’t that Wayned cured himself or not. My point was that he believes this is evidence to him. I know this isn’t “evidence” to the scientific community, just a statement. But you can’t discount what happened to him because it didn’t fit some protocol. Maybe it was CS or maybe it was what else JLI said…we’ll never know.

    I am a speech pathologist and I live and breath by research and data. However, I don’t just discount things because they don’t fit what some journals have stated.

    I do believe proponents of alternative medicine are closed minded AND I do believe that there are a lot of doctors and scientist who are just as closed minded as well. That’s my point. Back when someone suggested that bloodletting was useless, I bet the medical community of the day was flabbergasted!

    All I am saying is that maybe cancer isn’t a fungus or maybe fungus has a role in it somewhere…why can’t we be continually curious and flexible to maybe investigate such CRAZY ideas?

    I am not an alternative medicine person BUT I also view traditional medicine with a cynical eye. If I have learned anything is that doctors don’t know everything! I have worked with few to qualify this statement. I feel I am the altimate scientist…I question everything!

    Anyway, I enjoy this type of discourse…it helps me learn.

    Blessings!

  43. wayne March 29, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    i cured my mrsa using colloidal silver, i have lab results before which show what it was, i have pics if you wish to see, its not pretty, eats skin rapidly,
    i have lab report after it was cured, so what exactly are you no accepting, the only reason i brought this up was you quoted the quack from quack watch and used him for evidence. which to me, you lost credibility with what you was saying as soon as you did that. quackwatch is not a reliable source of information. I stand by my statement, using colloidal silver and the brand was silver shield in particular, it cured my mrsa and did it rapidly.

  44. beatis March 29, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Well, whatever did the trick, I’m happy for you that you got rid of this infection. :-)

  45. wayne March 29, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    i will say, when i got this, i wasn’t at the time thinking, oh this would be a great study, i wanted it gone, when i found out the antibiotic that my doctor gave me was useless, i knew a natural path who i asked about it, she assured me silver shield would take care of it, i followed her protocol for this
    it went like this, 1 st day, 1/2 bottle of silver shield, 2nd day, other half, (you drink it)
    3rd day, i divided the next bottle 3 ways, a 1/3 each day for next 3 days, when that was done, i went to another bottle divided in 1/4, each day after that 1/4 bottle, when that was done, then i went to a tablespoon till 5th bottle was done, seeing how this in no way would turn anyone blue, i was not concerned nor worried about argyria with this product. i could tell that with in couple days, that the mrsa died off, a later lab report did confirm i no longer have mrsa. it took a couple months after all this, that the scar i developed where the mrsa ate away skin finally healed over, i did note when i first started taking the silver shield. that i became very sleepy about 2 hrs after the dose i took, i do not know for sure but i feel it was the body getting rid of the dead bacteria, my own thoughts , so there ya have it, whether you see this as evidence or not, i know for a fact, it cured my mrsa and did it rapidly.

  46. wilmamazone March 29, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    @Wayne

    For how long did you take the antibiotic that your doctor gave you and how did you find out that it was useless?

  47. Wilmamazone March 29, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    I already know that you read about it, but i like to see the link.
    What is the name of the antibiotic that the doctor prescribe for you?

  48. evenarsenicisnatural March 29, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Wayne:

    Give us a timelime of your MRSA progress:

    When/How were you diagnosed?
    How large/how many lesions developed?
    How were the lesions treated?
    What were the culture/sensitivity results?
    What antibiotics(s) were prescribed?
    How long were they taken?
    How did you clean the lesions?
    When did the lesions resolve?
    Links to the pictures?

  49. jli March 30, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Dave said:

    But you can’t discount what happened to him because it didn’t fit some protocol. Maybe it was CS or maybe it was what else JLI said…we’ll never know

    According to a victim of CS, scientists have looked into the possibility that CS could have a bactericidal effect, and didn´t find it. http://rosemaryjacobs.com/
    Since posting the above response, several scientists have told me that they have tested different commercially available silver supplements including some they made themselves following the recipes that come with the “home generators”. They found that none of them even killed common bacteria in test tubes. In other words, none of the many silver supplements tested even worked as a disinfectant.
    What sort of observation would convince you that CS is ineffective as treatment of infectious conditions?

    I do believe proponents of alternative medicine are closed minded AND I do believe that there are a lot of doctors and scientist who are just as closed minded as well.

    In your previous post you wrote:

    ….doctors are the most closed minded people around…

    The examples I gave was meant to illustrate that doctors do accept new ideas if they are backed up by unbiased data.

    why can’t we be continually curious and flexible to maybe investigate such CRAZY ideas?

    The examples I gave you in the previous post were all considered crazy at the time they were introduced. But the data were convincing, thus turning these “absurd ideas” into mainstream. What sort of observation would convince you that there is evidence of abscense in the case of cancer as a fungus, and not just abscense of evidence?
    I believe that it is much rarer to encounter an alternative proponent who will be willing to change his paradigm because of unbiased data than a doctor. History shows it to be so.

    If I have learned anything is that doctors don’t know everything!

    Well Simoncini is a prime example of that :-)

  50. wayne March 30, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    i looked up what antibiotic i was prescribed and it was Keflex, i will post when i get chance the lab report, Keflex was not effective S aureus was not sensitive to that line of antibiotics, other then that, it was Silver Shield that i took that i give credit to killing off the mrsa . The doctor also had me use silverdene cream . However that was only for a few days and i stopped once i seen what the Silver Shield was doing. Surprisingly, i had no pain what so ever even though the mrsa had eaten a good 1/8 inch, almost 2 inches across into the flesh of my leg, (sorry to be so graphic) today, this area is healed over, very pink skin, you can still see where it was, Sorry no pics yet, silly thing called work is getting in my way. I do understand, since there was no blind study of me using this, no way i can convince someone that this did kill off the mrsa i had. I can only describe what i did, and what was outcome. I do have access under the radar so to speak to do some testing, and if i am able to, i will post those results as well. The links that are posted showing people that have turned gray do not say much of what was used and how much. I am sure if i took medication such as an antibiotic but took entire bottle at once, i would have reactions as well. The gray people that have had argyria seem to always be the same people. Some of the pictures of these people are from 40 yrs ago. It would be just as stupid to consume large quantities of any medication.

  51. evenarsenicisnatural March 30, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Keflex is a default antibiotic to use until culture and sensitivity results are in. What were the results? Did your doctor change the antibiotic to reflect the sensitivity?

    Your lesion sounds like it was a superficial infection, not involving the deeper tissue layers or causing major cellulitis. This type of infection is often self-limiting and will often resolve with minimal care.

    How do you know the Silver Sheild alone was the ‘cure’? You were also using the silvadine(a known and tested antibiotic) along with the SS (a bullsh*t product)??

    Your own words:
    “I can only describe what i did, and what was outcome.”

    A ‘testimonial’ doesn’t mean squat.

  52. wayne March 30, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Keflex was prescribed when no culture was taken, The culture was done out side of the doctors care, care wasnt the word, you dont prescribe an antibiotic when you have no clue what is wrong,
    the silverdine was used only short time, i highly doubt it had any effect, when i post pics of the infection, you would understand, i still have the silverdine if you want it, i used very little of it, i had to laugh when you said superficial infection,
    tesimonials dont mean squat eh?, thats a good one! I bet you only think drugs can cure then as well, lol, quite amusing

  53. natalie March 30, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    What role, if any, does Keflex have in the treatment of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), particularly community-acquired MRSA?
    Unfortunately, MRSA infections are resistant to all beta-lactam antibiotics, including cephalosporins such as cephalexin. Keflex should not be used to treat known MRSA infections… (http://www.keflex.com/faq/faq.html)

  54. wilmamazone March 30, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    @ Wayne

    Quote 1:

    Keflex was prescribed when no culture was taken

    Quote2:

    The doctor also had me use silverdene cream . However that was only for a few days and i stopped once i seen what the Silver Shield was doing.

    Why did you take the Silver Shield from the beginning, so on a moment that you did’t know for sure that is was MRSA?

  55. evenarsenicisnatural March 31, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Ahem, re-read my reply above^^

    To repeat: Keflex was RX’d prior to the culture then the antibiotic gets changed to reflect the results.

  56. natalie April 1, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    @evenarsenicisnatural // March 31, 2009 at 3:00
    “Ahem, re-read my reply above^^

    To repeat: Keflex was RX’d prior to the culture then the antibiotic gets changed to reflect the results.”

    Yes… I am aware you wrote this.. however I was simply replying to the below comment from wilmamazone…

    Wilmamazone // March 29, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Reply

    I already know that you read about it, but i like to see the link.
    What is the name of the antibiotic that the doctor prescribe for you? and…

    Wilmamazone // March 29, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Reply

    “I already know that you read about it, but i like to see the link.
    What is the name of the antibiotic that the doctor prescribe for you?”

    my response
    natalie // March 30, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Reply

    “What role, if any, does Keflex have in the treatment of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), particularly community-acquired MRSA?
    Unfortunately, MRSA infections are resistant to all beta-lactam antibiotics, including cephalosporins such as cephalexin. Keflex should not be used to treat known MRSA infections… (http://www.keflex.com/faq/faq.html)”

  57. enenarsenicisnatural April 2, 2009 at 12:24 am

    M’kay…

    To rephrase, a patient has an initial presentation of an infection . A swab is taken and sent to the lab for culture and sensitivity. In the meantime, an antibiotic is RX’d (in this case, Keflex). When the results are known (often takes a few days) the treatment is adjusted to an indicated antibiotic that will be effective against the typed pathogen and indicated sensitivities.

    Bottomline: a default antibiotic is used until the definative c&s results are known.

    Often cultures don’t get done, and the patient continues with the ineffective antibiotic, potentially contributing to an increase of resistant organisms (such as MRSA).

  58. industryphoto July 16, 2009 at 5:40 am

    Hello, I came across this by accident and its very ironic, several months ago I was told by my doctor that i had mrsa which was confirmed by lab test.

    I have a friend who had recommended to me that I use colloidal silver to treat it. After some research into colloidal silver, i decided that it would be safe to attempt and if it didn’t work i could always go back to antibiotic’s.

    After 2 weeks, my mrsa was gone. I have a follow up app with my doctor next week, I am very interested to see what he thinks.

    I don’t know if there is any truth to the Sodium bicarbonate treatment because i have never used it. But if i ever was in that position i would look at it as an option. There are a few people who i have spoken with through forums in the us who swear by the sodium bicarbonate.

    I would love to see some sold research done about this clam.

  59. beatis July 16, 2009 at 5:51 am

    I don’t know if there is any truth to the Sodium bicarbonate treatment because i have never used it. But if i ever was in that position i would look at it as an option. There are a few people who i have spoken with through forums in the us who swear by the sodium bicarbonate.

    People can say anything on forums. I prefer to rely on science myself.

    I would love to see some sold research done about this clam.

    Research has been done and you can read it about it on this blog:

    http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/tullio-simoncini-and-the-research-that-wasnt/

    You should also read WeWee’s comment to it, about Simoncini’s manipulation of facts and figures (aka as ‘lying’).

  60. jli July 16, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    I would love to see some sold research done about this clam.

    What would you consider solid research? – that is if you discard the research presented to you by Beatis?

  61. pictures of lymes February 3, 2010 at 4:41 am

    Lyme disease is a condition that is created by a specific bacterium that is referred to as Borrelia Burgdorferi.
    pictures of lymes

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